In a FaceBook post I saw this conversation about gay marriage unfold and read this man’s blog….check it out at http://dagblog.com/politics/larry-vs-homophobic-idiots-maine-legalizes-gay-marrige-658 and read my response.
Larry, it is fascinating to me that you criticize me for my alleged inability to both reason with and show compassion to those who differ/disagree with me, while you show clear disdain for me when I disagree with you. You have attacked both my character and my intelligence with no cause. I made a comment about your “style” of writing and you have countered with malice. If you wish to object to my writing “style” please feel free to check out my blog at www.raspberrymochalatte.wordpress.com. I am certain that we would have fun with an occasional banter.
As far as your blog is concerned, the burden of responsibility lies with you to craft an argument that is both intelligent, comprehensible, and most importantly, respectful enough to engage the readers, especially the readers who disagree with you. You have done a fine job of “preaching to the choir”, the “choir” being the ones who already agree with your view, but you have not excelled at making a compelling argument in an effort to win over those who oppose you.
My ability to comprehend your blog does transcend the “vulgarity” of your argument, however, typically I am unwilling to engage someone when the basis of the argument is merely to take cheap shots, rather than actually debating the merits of the issue. In your case I have made an exception.
In regards to your “The Tab A, Slot B Argument: As in it doesn’t happen in nature?”, you have equated and justified a homosexual lifestyle to the impulsive behaviors of animals. I am not certain that homosexuals would make this argument on their own behalf. It is true that homosexual animal sex, and many other earthly anomalies, occur but I would not argue that they are all suited to be duplicated in my own life. Homosexuals are engaging in that lifestyle for reasons that are far superior to the rationale behind why a deer chooses to mate with another deer of the same sex. A homosexuals’ reasons are vast and varied, but ultimately it comes down to their personal preference and choice. I am a heterosexual woman, who chooses to be in a mamonogamous and married relationship with a man whom I deeply love and desire. Homosexuals and heterosexuals make choices and their choices have nothing to do with what animals do in the wild.
You have asserted that heterosexuals like myself say (“in a southern twang”, of course!) that homosexuals have nothing to contribute to society. The LGBT crowd has demonized people like me by propagating the extreme “anti-gay” rhetoric which does not adequately represent my view and the views of many others. I do believe that homosexuals, like the lesbian geese you compared them to, have much to offer that benefits society. Like any other person, because homosexuals are people-not just walking sexual orientations, they are talented, enterprising, intelligent and well intentioned, good people. I have known many and called them friends….and I am a pastors’ kid.
Now for your, “The Bible says so!” a.k.a. The My God is Bigger Than Your God Argument”, you have again asserted that the faith based bunch supports and approves of the Inquisition. I disagree. I do not, nor does anyone I know, support the brutality of any person in the name of our God. You are correct that the United States is not a theocracy, you are also correct that it has not been a success in the middle east. The fact is, this country was founded on the principles of christian faith. It is those very principles that give the LGBT crowd (and the anti-birth control and prohibition crowds) the opportunity to fight for the things they believe in, even when in conflict with our original values. It is my faith that gives homosexuals both the freedom to choose to live that life and also the grace to stop living that life if they so choose, all while supporting a government that protects the homosexuals right to choose that life. I do not advocate a theocracy, like in the Middle East, because a homosexual lifestyle would be a death sentence….and after all, that isn’t very compassionate.
As far as my “religion” is concerned I do not expect that the legalization of gay marriage will be it its undoing. I do not oppose the legalization of homosexual marriage because it threatens my faith…..I oppose gay marriage because it conflicts with my understanding of marriage. This issue, like many others, cannot be reconciled with the principles of my faith. I love homosexual people. I want them to have success, I want them to prosper, I believe that they are loved and valued by my God in the same way a heterosexual person is. God has given us the opportunity to make choices, regardless of what he hopes we will choose. Some choices are better than others. I believe that the homosexual lifestyle is not the best choice. You are free to disagree with me. Like you, I will be diligent in my efforts to protect the things I value most.
The vulgar, “It will threaten the sanctity of marriage” a.k.a. The Sanctimonious F*ck-hole Argument” portion of your article suggests again that heterosexual couples are predestined to destroy the sanctity of marriage all by themselves, exempting the homosexual persons from any relational failures. Why do you believe that homosexuals are the only people capable of having a mainting a wholesome and healthy relationships? I have known many homosexuals who go from relationship to relationship looking for the perfect person and when he or she cannot be found they move on, yet again.The truth is people are the the greatest flaw and reason for the destruction of marriage, heterosexual or otherwise. I am equally saddened by to those who enter into a marriage covenant and debase it by not honoring that covenant, this includes Brittany Spears, Larry King, Elizabeth Taylor, Jesse James and Tiger Woods.
So, here is to compassion and logic. Let’s talk again.
A response to your response: http://dagblog.com/personal/pro-equality-letter-rachel-who-not-idiot-3280
Rachael, Well said, well said, well said!! Even if I disagreed with you (however, I don’t), your offering is ‘head and shoulders’ more articulate, reasonable and rational than Mr. Jankiens. Even if I did agree with him, I would be be very reluctant to be associated with his brand of bias. It is very obvious that he holds in contempt anyone who would ‘dare’ to disagree with him. The vulgar nature of his post is quite telling He is really just the same as those who rabidly hold opinions that oppose his own.
Rachael, in all honesty, why don’t you try to lobby to have laws passed than ban the sale and consumption of pork? Or divorce? Or round haircuts? Or tattoos?
Check the tag on your shirt, is there any polyester? If so, you’re also as damned as the homosexuals because Leviticus 19:19 reads: “You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”
See, these things are all banned in the bible. Some of them are listed as taboo in Leviticus along with “no homos in heaven” verse.
Of course, you are related to a clergyman so I’m sure you’ve heard these things before, but I’d love a response as to why Christians are so concerned with banning gay marriage while the execs at the polyester companies are laughing all the way to the bank.
A sin is a sin right? All sins are equal in the eyes of God. Romans 3:23-24 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”
I have no idea who you are but I am glad you have stumbled onto my blog. You are clever to quote scripture, but I have to say, you do not know of what you speak. I will say that it is convenient for you to take scripture…and polyster….and say whatever you will, but that does not make your argument sound or your understanding of the scriptures accurate. Good evening.
i think that gay marriage should be allowed in certain states but not in other states ~’~
I had to write something for my English course representing a view that a large portion of society does not agree with. I too am religious(Hindu) but I feel that merely stating this is irrelevant. Frankly, my religion thrives off of tolerance. I believe that I do show a great amount of this. However, I also have strict values that don’t allow me to agree with gay marriage. I’m glad I stumbled onto this site because I completely understand your ideology. What annoys me is that just by presenting our views, many people are quick to judge us. How is it that people tell me that they want their views to be respected when they themselves are not willing to respect mine? Thank you for posting this.
Spaceboy1026,
How did your essay turn out? Did you catch a lot grief about your counter-culture views? College is designed to create intellectual controversy so I expect that you were your forced to defend your minority view. I hope that you found the experience rewarding regardless of others reactions. Thank you for posting on my blog and maybe we can chat again. All the best to you.
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